Friday, April 13, 2012

Re: [CROMA] Re: [mahagunmascot] à¤(R)ाठभी बचॠचे के रोने पर ही दूध पिलाती हैं-आज हà¤(R)ें जागना ही होगा.

 

HI Innu,  am with you. But as reply to you repeating the contents as replied to Atul as my view point as below.

"Hi Mr.Atul

Read your detailed mail.I would request you in future please write in short and be precise in your views as and suggestions.You have repeatedly said only one thing that builders has cheated us so we should ask for dharna/pradarshan by the builders and then if builders are agree then we should support them. 

Atul, I must tell you builders are fighting for this fight with legal documents and now matter is already at Supreme Court. If we request to the builders to go for dharna/pradrashan , no one will listen to the builders. Builders are also a victim in the hands of Govt like we are in the hands of builders in the present case.I can understand that as we are victims at the hands of builders as well as authorities for which we have legal way to take action against the builders for breach of trust or by any other cause which no one has guts uptill now. Mahesh has rightly taken action vis-a-vis Mahagun Shopping complex is concern.But everyone is not like Mahesh and also Mahesh is facing the consequences of that ,till date his Flat is not being handed over for which he has to fight separately another round of litigation and also by doing this litigation he has faced some medical problem as apparent from his e-mail. Despite being a lawyer I am saying all this b'coz I know weakness of legal system in our Country. However, for legal action on Enviornmental Factors, we /the residents has the right to raise the voice before National Green Tribunal for which we are waiting as the last recourse.   
    
As suggested by you that we should start fighting with builders, in that case it will be very difficult to sustain in future as there is much development required in the township for which we need to push builders to place things properly as much as possible. Still builders are in better position in all respect rather than us. Please understand with builders we can fight any time but not at this stage when builders are already fighting and went upto SUPREME COURT, the Apex court of the country and the fate of that case can take any direction. 

As per current scenario, it is the residents who are in strong hands to demand from the govt. authorities to take back the decision to shift this dumpyard at some other place  by Dharna/Pradarshan . In the past builders were agreed to spent money to purchase land at some other place to shift this menace but all in vain b'coz of nuisance by City Mayor/M.P from BJP govt. in Ghaziabad.


We have kept this coming DHARNA /PRADARSHAN on 15th April  b'coz of current change of U.P. Govt as well as appointment of new VC-GDA Mr. Santosh Yadav  who has been assigned MISSION GHAZIABAD as priority as air in the city. We are trying our luck with a positive hope from new UP Chief Minster, Mr. Akhilesh Yadav who is from Environmental Engineering background. We are also trying to escalate the issue by sending our representation through own sources to his office which is also in pipeline and also trying to fix our meeting with him. We are repeating this protest to bring into their knowledge about the issue as well as to stop the construction started at the site by showing unity and strength of the crowd at Crossings Republik and nearby areas. For this we need support of maximum residents as much as possible.  

Hope I clarified my view point in detail. If still you have some doubt do write us.       


Regards

Akhil Chhabra
Team-CROMA"

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:25 PM, WldFlower9 <innu.anand@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Atul and Mahesh,

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU!!!!

BUILDERS ARE THE CULPRITS, WE SHOULD NOT SPACE THEM. THIS DHARNA SHOULD BE IN FRONT OF BUILDERS FIRST AND LET THEM FEEL THE HEAT. I DON"T SEE ANY OF THE BUILDER IS WORRIED ABOUT IT.

IF WE WILL NOT DO THIS TODAY, BUILDER WILL SELL ALL IT UNITS AND WILL RUN AWAY FROM HERE LEAVING ALL OF US IN THIS DUMPING GROUND.

WHERE AS WE (WHERE MANY OF US HAVE NOT EVEN PAID THE FULL PAYMENT OT BUILDER, WILL PAY GOING FORWARD) ARE DYING TO FIGHT FOR THE HOUSE WHICH CAN BE IN FRONT OF DUMPING GROUD.

I AM READY TO FIGHT AGAINST BUILDERS. CAN WE FILE A CONSUMER CASE AGAINST THEM?

- Innu Anand
9910 999 719.

--- In CrossingsRepublikOwnersAndMembersAssociation-CROMA@yahoogroups.co.in, atul singh <atul_lh@...> wrote:
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> I think Mahesh is right and as discussed last time during our communication on the same platform(mail) I had an opinion which seems nearly similar to Mahesh.
> And at the same time the issue of Duping ground is also a valid issue as stated by many people in this group for CR residents  and what ever Raju is stating that is also perfectly correct we should go for DHARNA/FAST etc.
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> BUT WHAT IS NOT CORRECT IS DHARNA AND FAST IN FRONT OF DUMPING GROUND IT SHOULD BE IN FRONT OF CROSSINGS BUILDERS NOT IN FRONT OF DUMPING GROUND.
> SINCE THEY PLANNED IT (CR) AND WE PAID MONEY TO THEM (IT INCLUDES BUILDER AS FIRST PARTY AND OBVIOUSLY THE GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY ALSO WHO EARNS FROM TOWNSHIP OR REAL STATE DEVELOPMENT I APPEAL TO BUILDERS IF THEY FEEL SOME GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY DID WRONG WITH THEM THEN PLEASE SEND THAT OPENLY IN THIS MAIL CHAIN) AND THEY MUST TAKE CARE OF THIS SITUATION OR THEY TALK TO ANY OTHER AUTHORITY TO SETTLE THIS ISSUE.WE DID NOT SPEND MONEY TO ENSURE THAT ONCE WE COME TO OUR HOME WE SHOULD GO FOR DHARNA AND FAST IN FRONT OF GOVT AUTHORITY.
> WE PAID MONEY TO GET HOME NOT TO GET INVOLVED INTO ISSUE OF DHARNA FOR DUMPING GROUND ETC.
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> SEE THE MAIN PROBLEM IS THOSE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THIS SHOULD SOLVE THIS ISSUE and THEY MUST SOLVE IT.
> THIS LOOKS LIKE STRANGE TO ME THAT ALL CROSSINGS RESIDENTS SHOULD GO TO DHARNA AND FAST BUT BUILDERS SHOULD ENJOY THEIR LIFE IN THEIR PLACES SINCE THEY GOT MONEY FROM US. LETS TALK TO BUILDERS AND FIRST CALL DIRECTORS OF CROSSINGS TO GO FOR DHARNA AND FAST NOT THE RESIDENTS SHOULD GO FOR IT.
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> I KNOW THAT BUILDERS MAY ALSO BE FACING SOME LOSS DUE TO CR(AM I WRONG ??) BUT WHY THEY ARE NOT COMING FOR DHARNA OR FAST (the reason MAY BE THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING AGAINST THE LAW/APPROVAL, which I CAN SEE IN THE MAIL MENTIONED BY MAHESH AND PROBABLY SAME ISSUES IS THERE IN MANY MORE APARTMENTS e.g. MORE CONSTRUCTIONS THAN PLANNED etc..)
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> SO IN MY OPINION THE FIRST DHARNA/FAST SHOULD BE INFRONT OF BUILDERS AND THEN THEY SHOULD GO FOR DHARNA AND PRADARSHAN IN FRONT OF DG AND IT IS OUR(FLAT OWNERS) MORAL RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND THEY ARE NOT CREATING BETTER SOCIETY BUT COVERTING GOOD HUMAN BEINGS INTO DEVIL BY CHEATING THEM.
> AND IT IS BUILDER MORAL RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE RESIDENT AND CROSSINGS IS SAFE AND A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE WITHOUT ANY DUMPING GROUND ETC.IF BUILDER FEEL BAD ABOUT THIS COMMENT THEN AM SORRY BUT THIS IS THE RATIONAL AND LOGICAL THINKING SAYS.
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> SO IF POSSIBLE LETS GO FIRST FOR DHARNA./FAST INFRONT OF BUILDERS INSTEAD OF DUMPING GROUND AND ONCE THEY AGREE TO GO FOR FAST THEN THE RESIDENT MAY SUPPORT THEM(NOT MANDATORY FOR RESIDENTS).ELSE BY GOING TO DUMPING GROUND WE SHOULD NOT CREATE A SYSTEM WHERE THE PERSON WHO MADE MISTAKE IS LEAVING PEACEFULLY BUT THE PERSON WHO WAS NOT AT ALL INVOLVED INTO MONEY MAKING THOSE WHO ARE COMMON MAN ARE FACING PROBLEMS. SAME THING IS HAPPENING IN NOIDA EXTENSIONS .... MANY PEOPLE PAID MONEY BUT NOT SURE WHEN THEY WILL GET THEIR HOUSE...
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> SO LETS TRY TO MAKE A SYSTEM WHICH ENSURES PERSON DOES NOT MAKE MISTAKE AND IF THEY MAKE MISTAKE THEY SHOULD RECTITY IT NOT WE WHO DID NOT MAKE MISTAKE SHOULD RECTIFY IT.
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> SO MY REQUEST IS TO LETS GO FOR DHARNA / FAST FOR DUMPING GROUND BUT FIRST DO IT IN FRONT OF BUILDERS AND MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND THEY SHOULD NOT TREAT ANY PERSON BADLY THEY WAY THEY ARE TREATING MAHESH IF SOMEONE RAISES THEIR FINGER ON SOMETHING WRONG
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> I AM SORRY IF MY THOUGHT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE IN SYNC WITH YOU. IT IS JUST  TO ENSURE THAT THOSE WHO ARE GUILTY SHOULD NOT BE LEFT FREE WITHOUT CORRECTING THEIR MISTAKES. IF WE DO THIS IT WILL GIVE THEM FACILITY TO DO THE SAME THING WITH OTHERS TOO.
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> I was unbiased during aforementioned electronics expression of my thoughts.It was just a rational thought process product which I acquired from our system and education system where I got educated and morality related books like Ramayan, Gita etc.and my society.
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> From: RAJ KUMAR RAJU <rajubanka@...>
> To: mahagunmascot@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: crossingsrepublikownersandmembersassociation-croma <CrossingsRepublikOwnersAndMembersAssociation-CROMA@yahoogroups.co.in>; crossings <crossings-republik@yahoogroups.com>; "royalcliffrwa@yahoogroups.com" <royalcliffrwa@yahoogroups.com>; "ParamountGroup@yahoogroups.com" <ParamountGroup@yahoogroups.com>; "gardeniasquare@yahoogroups.co.in" <gardeniasquare@yahoogroups.co.in>; "ajnara_genx@yahoogroups.com" <ajnara_genx@yahoogroups.com>; "Amrapali_Empire@yahoogroups.com" <Amrapali_Empire@yahoogroups.com>; RWA Crossings Republic <gh7rwa.crossings@...>
> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012 12:20 AM
> Subject: [CROMA] Re: [mahagunmascot] माठभी बचॠचे के रोने पर ही दूध पिलाती हैं-आज हमें जागना ही होगा.
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> Dear Mahesh,
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> I completely agree with you and can understand your frustration as no one from Mahagun Mascot came with you at the time when you called resident to support you to fight against illegal commercial complex. Once I came to know about you, I saluted you for your brave work and now you are the example as well as inspiration for our society that you won the battle with Mahagun Builder. Now, I was unaware about the story that Mahagun is not handing over your flat to you which is already paid by you. I will talk to you offline on this matter and will try to help you as much as I can do from my side.
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> I purchased my flat in June 2011 and shifted in Nov 2011 so I was unaware about this forum as well as CROMA and/or other yahoo/google groups. So excuse me on this but yes, now I want to make our township as well as our society a better place to live and that's why I am interested in this and calling the entire flat owners to come, unite and show the power. If a single man like you can fight against Mahagun Builder and can win then why not we unite and protest against the DUMPING YARD for our beautiful township.
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> But the question is  - what is the alternate option for this DUMPING GROUND? Can we sleep at our home and see the DRAMA? or we can protest it until we can do it? I know the entire resident are not  interested and even there are many residents who are not aware about this DUMPING GROUND. May be they don't care about this. But if we have energy and we can protest and can unite then surely we will have some solution. The construction has already been started in DG and we don't want to this construction in front of this beautiful township and we know the result of this DUMPING GROUND as well. I have seen GAZIPUR as an example and don't want the same GAZIPUR in front of my flat/socety/township. We don't want our landmark as DUMPING GROUND. So don't take it in another way, please come and join in this PROTEST/DHARNA/ANSHAN, if you think CROMA is a good place where people from entire society can meet and discuss on this matter openly. 
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> Please feel free to call me if you have any concern. 
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> Thanks,
> Raj Kumar Raju
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> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Mahesh Narayanan <mahesh1283@...> wrote:
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> >Dear Akhil and Raju,
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> >You have conveniently complained in your email that most of the residents/flat-owners in crossings are not participating in the fight whereas you yourselves have been ABSENT when it comes to raising valid issues like the Illegal Mahagun Mascot Shopping Complex issue. The illegal Mahagun Mascot shopping complex is a threat to life safety of as many as 1200 (One thousand two hundred) residents. So for I am the only one who has been fighting alone against the builder and the likes of you have been sitting on the fence and enjoying the show. AAP LOG TAMASHA DEKH RAHE HO. Mahagun builder has victimised me by not handing over my flat, which is fully paid for by me, but no one has come for my help. I have asked for help several times from this forum but not even one person has bothered to help me. So please stop shedding crocodile tears. Also I would like to state my personal opinion on this matter that your fighting the wrong guy. Municipality is clearly not
> the enemy here and they are legally on the right footing to construct the dumping yard. It is some one else who has fooled us all (guess who?). There is not a iota of chance that supreme court won't throw out your appeal and also impose a heavy cost on you.
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> >Just think of this
> >1. There  was a slaughter house (butcherkhana).
> >2. Some wise guy built a bunch of flat next to the slaughter house and this wise guy also put a veal over the slaughterhouse (BUTCHERKHANA KE UPAR KAPDA DAL KE USSE CHUPA DIYA) and painted over the sign board.
> >3. Some people bought the flats and started residing in them
> >4. Then the veil was lifted and the slaughter house came into operation.
> >5. Now the people who bought the flats are crying foul. They don't want to live next to slaughterhouse because the dead carcasses of slaughtered cattle smell terrible. And the people demanding that the slaughterhouse be shut down.
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> >Who's fault is it. Is it the fault of the person who owns the BUTCHERKHANA or is it the fault of the guy who sold you the flats OR is it the fault of the people who bought the flats? 
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> >Decide yourself. Dumping yard is just an example how fucked up our system is. Just deal with it sir.
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> >From: Akhil Pal Chhabra <75chhabra@...>
> >To: crossingsrepublikownersandmembersassociation-croma <CrossingsRepublikOwnersAndMembersAssociation-CROMA@yahoogroups.co.in>; crossings <crossings-republik@yahoogroups.com>; royalcliffrwa@yahoogroups.com; Mahagun Mascot <mahagunmascot@yahoogroups.com>; ParamountGroup@yahoogroups.com; gardeniasquare@yahoogroups.co.in; ajnara_genx@yahoogroups.com; Amrapali_Empire@yahoogroups.com; RWA Crossings Republic <gh7rwa.crossings@...>
> >Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2012 9:30 AM
> >Subject: [mahagunmascot] माठभी बचॠचे के रोने पर ही दूध पिलाती हैं-आज हमें जागना ही होगा.
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> >Dear All,
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> >आज हमारा सपनो का घर दाठव पर लगा है. लेकिन हमें कोई चिंता नही है. हम चैन की नींद सो रहे हैं. यह सोच कर कि अनॠय सभी लोग कोशिश कर ही रहे 
> >हैं फिर हमें इतनी गरॠमी में जाने की कॠया ज़रूरत है. आख़िर कॠयों? कब हमारी नींद खॠलेगी ? हम अपने घर के लिठकब कोशिश करेंगे ? कॠया हम इतने 
> >आलसी हो गये हैं कि यह नौबत आ गयी है जो हम यह सोचने लगे हैं कि हम सोच रहे हैं की कोई हमारे मॠह में खाना डाल दे तो हम खा लेंगे नही तो इसी 
> >तरह सोते रहेंगे ? आख़िर कब तक ठसा चलेगा? कब तक दूसरे लोग आपका काम करते रहेंगे ? माठभी बचॠचे के रोने पर ही दूध पिलाती हैं. आज हमें 
> >जागना ही होगा. अपने हक के लिठलड़ना ही पड़ेगा. बलॠकि यह कहना सही होगा कि हॠमें अपना हक छीनना होगा. उन सभी लोगों से जो हमारा हक दबाठहॠठ 
> >हैं. अपने इस घर के लिठहमने अपने खून पसीने की कमाई लगा दी है. हम उसे बेकार नही होने देंगे. 
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> >CROMA आपके साथ है. लेकिन उसके लिठआपको नींद से जागना ही होगा........ 
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> >If you really believe and support CROMA activities please Join For Protest To stop Construction Activity at Dumpyard Site on: 


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> >15th April i.e. Sunday at Main Glass Gate , Crossings Republik at 9.AM.
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> >Warm Regards
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> >Akhil P.Chhabra
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> >TEAM-CROMA
> >Crossings Republik Owners and Members Association
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Warm Regards

Akhil P.Chhabra

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